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Interview with Ross of IMPALED (Usa)
by Billy Nocera of Razorback Records (June 2001) Ok get
ready for what I hope will be the ULTIMATE Ross
Sewage interview spectacular. This will hopefully
be an overwhelming experience for both of us, or
it will fail and be completely fucking stupid(most
likely that).
Ross: If it does fail and be completely
stupid, then I would say that it falls right in
line with everything else I attempt in this
ridiculously pathetic, feeble, and idiotic life.
For your love of metal and the underground,
Billy, and all that we have been through (remember
that time we were at Ohlone Summer Camp, and our
camp was a bunch of ragamuffins, and the opposing
rich kids at Lottawealth Summer Camp were on our
goat, but we beat them at the camp olympics
though street know-how and clever wit?) I will
try to be as thoughtful as possible about this
long-winded and pretentious interview. Look
for little cleverness herein, and I apologize for
my boring answers.
You're
one of the few people I know who's been into the
underground death/grind whatever scene as long as
I have. When did it all start for you? And no, I
don't care about when you first got into
Metallica or Slayer or even Cannibal Corpse. I'm
want to know the first demos you got and the
first zines you read, and when you actually
started doing mail and all that stuff.
Ross: In all honesty, you've probably been
into it a lot longer than I have. I am an
embarrasingly late bloomer, and I was just
starting to listen to the likes of Guns 'n'
Roses, Aerosmith, and Motley Crüe about the time
I met up with Col Jones (the drummer of Exhumed)
in high school around 1991. The first death
metal I ever heard was thanks to him, when he
introduced to me Carcass and Godflesh, still two
of my all time favorite bands. And of
course, Exhumed. Their first demo, "Dissecting
the Caseated Omentum" was my first taste of
the real underground, and I was never the same.
I quickly taped all of Col and Matt Harvey's 7"
records, I started going to underground shows
with them, picking up demos and 7"s, and
when that wasn't enough, I picked up the Wild
Rags (which I guess counts as the first 'zine I
read) and Relapse catalogs and plunked down
whatever I could afford (ie; what wasn't already
being spent on comics and action figures) on
picking up things like Impetigo and Repulsion.
Of course, in those days of paper flyers in the
mail, I also wrote to any bands that looked cool.
Ahh, the days of wasted paper and envelopes full
of crap.
The
first time I read an interview with you was when
you were in Exhumed going under the name "Pearly
Penile Pauples" in the great Japanese zine
Corporal Arts put out by Tom of Catasexual Urge
Motivation. It was a pretty funny interview, and
I was surprised to real an interview with someone
in a death metal band who was down to earth and
had a sense of humor instead of all the "I'm
so fucking brutal because I smoke pot and listen
to Suffocation" type of interviews I always
read. I think that's one of the reasons why I was
first interested in Exhumed, because your
attitude was cool and honest and you were not
trying to act like a lame assed rock star. Where
did you get this attittude from man? Seems like
you still have it too which is awesome.
Ross: I'm always trying to act like a lame-assed
rock star. All of the interviews I do are
full of lies and half-truths, stories about
cocaine abuse, tons of hookers, and a life of
metal. When I joined Exhumed, we took a serious
look at what we thought was lame about what we
were involved in. Boring bios, boring
interviews, and four to five guys standing around
on a stage expecting people to pay attention to
their hair slinging ability. Really,
Abscess was a great infuence on us in more than
one way, and after reading one of their funny
interviews in Anatomia fanzine, we decided that
we needed to really tell the truth in our
interviews, and that truth was that were stupid
and had horrible senses of humor. I never
sit around with my friends talking about why the
scene isn't brutal enough, or what kind of
equipment I use, or how a sound engineer is a
good guy to work with. I sit around and
bullshit and tell jokes and lame stories.
So that's what we decided to reflect to others
who read about us.
Impetigo
was and still is the most influential underground
band in my life. They set the standard for real
underground death/grind without the bullshit
"tough guy" attitude and rock star ego
bullshit. They were horror/gore fans just like us
and they always cared about keeping things
personal and real, something that I could not
believe having had grown up worshipping sell-out
rock star type of metal bands. This totally
changed my life and I have a feeling it had a big
impact on you as well. Did it? Tell me about your
first memories of discovering this great band and
anything else Impetigo related. Are you with me
in saying that there will NEVER be another band
quite like them? Did we do them justice with our
tribute CD for them?
Ross: Impetigo came at a great time, death
metal was on the rise, and people would listen to
anything with a gross name. Otherwise, I
don't think as many people would have heard of
Impetigo. Here are four nerds from
Illinois, they can barely play sometimes, the
artwork was raw and unprofessional, and they were
great. Their heart was in it 100%. They
were four guys doing what they loved the best
they could. I don't think people have
patience for that right now. Recordings
must be crisp, and the artwork has to have about
15 photoshop filters on it before somebody will
even look at it. They mostly influenced me
by their attitudes and their heart, and the in-house
quality of it. I love a band that puts
together a whole package, not just some jokers
recording, and then sending that to a label for
them to put a pretty package on. I've
always tried encourage the bands I play in to
create our own art, to sell ourselves in our own
words, and to be more than a just a musical
group, but bunch of heathenous bastards out to
destroy. The first time I heard Impetigo
was a copy of the Blood split, titled Antefatto.
Boneyard was the supreme output of disgusting
filth, yet catchy, not to mention the quotable
samples. Then there was the ultimate time
vacationing with Matt Harvey and Col Jones in
Yosemite. Yes, the nature was glorious, but
when we put that new tape, "Horror of the
Zombies," on to listen to, our ears were
glued to the radio.
Impaled
is off to an amazing start for such a new band,
are you surprised by this and pleased? Seems like
you guys had a demo out one day, and then the
next you already had an album out and were
playing metal fests. I think that's great, but at
the same time I wonder if you guys will burn out
doing everything so fast? I always liked how an
underground band would build their name slowly,
by doing some demos, and then some ep's, followed
by maybe a split CD or something like that, and
THEN doing a full album for a bigger label. Do
you think that cycle is totally dead in today's
scene? Seems like bands don't even do demos
anymore. I know with Exhumed you did tons and
tons of mail and promotion, and I feel that's why
the band is well known today, because of all the
underground promotion and hard work that went
into the band. Do you feel like with Impaled that
you maybe don't have to work as hard, since you
guys got signed to a label pretty fast?
Ross: Not to discount anyone's talent in
Impaled, other than my own meagerness as a bass
player, Impaled was very lucky. First of
all, the Exhumed connection was nice, and alot of
the work I did for that band was carried over
into Impaled, so I don't think we missed out on
being underground. We all were at some
point. I took all my contacts and poured
forth, not content to be kicked out of a band and
have them reap the rewards alone of my time
sitting at home alone on a Saturday night
answering interviews and putting together
packages. Hence, the Headfucker 7".
Also, Necropolis was looking to go into death
metal, they knew us and wanted something to
counter Relapse records with, and yeah, we got
lucky. Sorry to any other bands more
deserving of recognition. Finally, everyone
in Impaled works. We all do stuff. We
all write songs, we all contribute to artwork
ideas, we all promote. No longer was it one
man doing all of one thing. Add the
burgeoning internet to this, and we came in at
just the right time. I don't think we'll
burn out. I have ideas for three albums
from now, as does Sean, Leon and Raul, and as
long as we can stand eachother (which is a highly
dubious situation, at best) Impaled will keep
playing music for whatever ass hole deems us
listenable.
Personally,
I hate when a band gets signed to a "bigger"
label and totally forgets where they came from
and don't feel like contributing to any
underground releases anymore. What's your take on
this? Seems like your label has given you guys
freedom to do some independent type releases
which is great. Please feel free to plug any of
these underground "treats" you guys
will spew forth in the next few months/year. (keep
in mind I'm trying really hard not to shamelessly
promote my own label, but I'm not trying TOO
hard, heh heh! IMPALED/HAEMORRHAGE, IMPALED/HAEMORRHAGE
- fuck yeah!!!!!!).
Ross: Our main problem is being able to
write enough songs. None of us are riff
machines, like many bands that can put out split
7" after split 7", though I wish we
could. We try the best we can. The Engorged
split was borne out of our love of Engorged, we
wanted to do a split. The Impetigo tribute
was also very important to at least some of us in
Impaled, so we had to do that too.
Unfortunately, as we get older, money becomes
more scarce (no more free rent from Mom and Dad!)
and we can't just go out and record on a whim,
but dammit, I love splits!! The Choice Cuts
EP exists only because we had to borrow money
from Necropolis for the Impetigo and Engorged
stuff, and they wanted to recoup. It was an
unfortunate situation, because I want people to
focus on the Engorged split and the two tributes
we recorded for, not our silly EP. We
tried, however, to at least make it worthwhile,
by cramming it full of old material, so it was a
nice full package, which we have gotten flack for
(these guys haven't been around long enough for
this! blah blah). And yes, I've
always wanted to do a split with Haemorrhage, and
now we have the opportunity, with a shoddy little
label run by two goobers who are all about the
mosh.
Ok,
no interview would be complete these days without
talking about the internet. Seems like this is
the way to go if you want to seriously promote
your band these days. Do you like the internet?
Do you use it a lot? What about all these people
who go on message boards only to talk shit about
bands and to basically goof off all day being
jerks. Do you ever pay attention to what people
say about you online, or do you just not even
give a shit?
Ross: I use the internet for e-mail, and
that's pretty much it. I've set up some web
sites for my art, and for the other band I play
in, Ludicra (plug: http://www.impaled.net/eyesore and http://ludicra.topcities.com) but I hate message
boards, at least for myself. It's healthy,
I suppose, for people to be able to go online and
discuss things, but the level of conversation,
not to mention the atrocious grammar, just
depress me. If someone has a problem with
me and they write about it on a message board, I
am not going to respond, because I don't care.
Mostly it seems like people who work computer
jobs, or kids sitting at home with nothing else
to do, piddling away their time shouting out
insults at eachother, and talking about how they
are going to mosh eachother to death someday.
I for one, am far too busy and frantic to take
the time to deal with things like that. E-mail
is useful, just so I don't have to spend a dollar
to send a letter to my friend overseas.
Jesus, I really hope nobody reads these boring
awful answers.
You
said something to me online once that I thought
was the coolest thing I ever heard. I asked why
you still stay in the underground metal/grind
scene even when things aren't as cool as they
used to be, and your answer was something like
"I stay away from all the trendy, the
negativity, I don't read all the reviews in
zines, I still listen to the bands I like, etc.".
I think that's the best attitude ever and
something that I always try to apply to my life
as well. I think people need to be themselves and
make their own opinions about what bands and
music they like, and not listen to all the
bullshit that's out there.
Ross: Well, to slightly rescind my comment,
I think reviews and such are important, as well
as features, and all that. That's how I got
started listening to different stuff, when I just
had such a little clue as to what was what.
I just have a hard time now, because most of them
are so boring or ill-informed, I get depressed.
As you can probably guess, I get depressed a lot.
That's why I create, so as to not be depressed.
If I spent all my time thinking about what one
guy who thinks that Cannibal Corpse is
underground has to say about the band I am in,
I'd never get anything done.
Seems
like your artwork really keeps you going every
day, even more than music sometimes. I think it's
great to have other passions in life, and your
art definitely seems to be one of them. Talk
about your art, why do you like doing it and
where do you see yourself going with it? What are
some bands and projects you've done art for? I
saw your work for the new Engorged CD and it's
great! Any projects that flaked out on you? Any
Eyesore news?
Ross: Well, I hate to say MORE than music,
as I see music as part of my art. But yes,
visual art is very important to me. I don't
see myself going anywhere with it, I just have to
do it. What's the point of a 9-5 job, five
days a week, working for some other guy, earning
a twentieth of what you make him, unless you have
something for yourself. I find, sometimes,
that I can get trapped after work, end up
drinking a few beers, and then watching some dumb
ass sitcom that I don't like and then sloughing
off to bed. That is horrible. I do it,
but I try not to. I'd rather create
something, anything. All day my mind is
awhirl (because my boring ass monkey-man job
requires no brainwork) with new ideas, stories,
music, pictures, and though they may not be
better than anyone elses, I'd be remiss if I
didn't at least explore them. It's less
that I like art, and more that I don't like
anything else. As far as Eyesore news, I'm
hoping to begin work on the art for the next
Cattle Decapitation CD cover, and of course
Impaled's next album is on the horizon, as well
as a Ludicra album that we recorded last summer.
Some people have flaked on me, but all the art
was rewarding to do, and it's all up on my
website anyway (plug again; http://www.impaled.net/eyesore) so I'm not gonna go
around naming them.
Speaking
of Engorged, are you with me when I say I think
they're one of the best new and original grind/death
metal bands in today's scene? Seems like Impaled
and Engorged are both allys who get along very
well. That's definitely a refreshing thing in
today's underground as most bands hate each other
and never get along. Why do you like Engorged so
much? I know you love the old GI JOE cartoon from
the 80's, and have a lot of the old action
figures. Why did that show rule so much??? Do you
think Engorged will do well on Deathvomit
Records?
Ross: Engorged does rule. It's
unfortunate they are a bunch of layabouts,
because my love of Engorged stems from having
seen them live. They are INCREDIBLE and I
hope they tour someday. They do an
excellent job of mixing styles, jumping from the
best grind riff you've ever heard to playing
something Scott Ian could have written, and they
do it seamlessly. That's their main
strength and what sets them apart. What is
unfortunate is the sound quality of many of their
recordings, which as I've already addressed, can
really turn off some listeners. I think the
best thing about them being on Death Vomit, is
that they will finally get a marginal recording
budget (unless they spend it all on eight-balls)
and some good cross promotional opportunities.
I think Impaled really loves Engorged, though,
because we are all hysterically stupid morons,
and we both take the short yellow bus to our
shows. GI Joe is great because I grew up on
it. Really, many of the episodes were
atrociously bad, but I'll still watch Cold
Slither rock the stage, because the kitsch value
of trying to remember my youth is great.
I'd never expect a kid today to like it, or an
adult who had never seen it. Such is the
brainwashing and imprinting you receive as a
child. And yeah, I have a shit load of
figures. I'm really fucking retarded like
that. And I have the Cobra Base.
Someday, If I can own a house with a backyard,
I'm setting up Cobra Island. Then Engorged
can come over and play, and we'll all find it
boring, and end up watching "The Beyond"
while doing shots of Yaeger.
Some
people had complained that you didn't do enough
vocals on the first IMPALED CD. While I think
Leon and Sean both do great vocals, I also missed
hearing more of your vocals on many of the songs.
Will you be doing more vocals on the new songs?
Tell us about some of the new lyrics you've been
writing and what each song is going to be about.
Do you think having good lyrics and songwriting
is important in death/grind music? Seems like
many bands today don't even bother to write
decent lyrics anymore. Where do a lot of your
ideas come from? Will the next IMPALED CD have
sort of a "concept" type of thing
going? Also, are you guys dropping the "fecal/shit"
type lyrics in favor of more horror based stuff?
I say - horror all the way!
Ross: A lot of people don't realize, because
of the recording dates on the demos and album,
that I was in Exhumed tangentially to my joining
Impaled. I didn't do vocals because I
already did them in Exhumed. Impaled is
Leon and Sean's show, so to speak. I did
vocals on Back to The Grave, simply because when
I started writing that song, I was in Exhumed,
and it has SO MANY lyrics. I've not really
heard anyone complaining about my lack of vocals,
though (last I remember, I was compared to a
stuck pig), but I imagine I'll be doing a bit
more in the future, like on tour, where I took
over the parts that Leon originally had done with
a pitch shifter. I think lyrics are very
important, of course, because I can just barely
write music, but I've been speaking english for
years! I think the problem with most
people's lyrics is that they just don't read
enough, and they ended up putting together
sentences that sound cool, but mean absolutely
nothing, like "The Raven's Eyes Are Like
Mirrors On the Bottom of Satan's Black Halls."
Or, gore bands, a lot of time just want to put
together something gross or offensive, and
believe it or not, I think that is stupid.
There should be meaning and / or storytelling
behind lyrics, otherwise, you might as well be
like Hemdale, and not even have lyrics. I'm
not impressed that you can put together words in
a medical dictionary, I want to see the thought
process of WHY. It is likely that our next
album won't have much to do with fecal matter,
because yes, we do have a concept, and it just
doesn't fit. That isn't to say it's
dropped, however. I think there are many
more tales to tell about our little brown
friends, just not right now.
Man,
whatever happened to zines?? Seems like every
zine today is just put out to get free shit and
to only feature stuff from the big labels. Nobody
even reviews 7" ep's anymore or any
underground stuff. Why? Does it bother you that
the bigger mags will only feature a band if their
record label pays for ad space? Seems like nobody
is honest anymore with this music and it's just
all about lying, cheating, and sneaking around to
get where you want to be.
Ross: You know, they had this same argument
back in '89, which we know see as the golden
years. Guess what... magazines suck.
Their are always a few bright beacons in the
darkness but on the whole journalism is a corrupt
profession. Magazines are the illiterate
bastard offspring of writing. They are
short attention span tid-bits, news clippings,
and sound bytes. Not to say that I don't
from time to time participate, I am just as
fallible as everyone else. My only point
being, I don't put thought into it anymore or
read big glossy metal mags, because my time is
better spent creating stuff for them to spit on
and make fun of, and / or not even feature at all.
If you take the time, though, to look past that
stuff, as I do when its worthwhile, there are
still some places to find things like 7"
reviews. On the whole, though, I trust word of
mouth more than anything I see in print.
Who
were some of the most underated bands you ever
heard in the underground? I always heard so many
great demos and 7" ep's but yet nobody would
ever really care about these bands and only give
a shit about the bands who would get signed to
some big label and would play all these cheesy
Milwaukee metal fests, etc. I know you liked a
lot of the grind and death metal bands that I
liked and owned a lot of demos by, care to name
any? Warsore fucking ruled!!!
Ross: Yes, Warsore is awesome, and to
continue on the Aussie tip, Undinism is far
underecognized (while Blood Duster is
overrecognized, having stolen, point-blank,
Undinism riffs) and other bands like Misinabit
and Open Wound. I'd like especially to
mention my local scene, because you should always
support those you have to live with; bands like
Cruevo, Hammers of Misfortune, Weakling, Exit
Wound, Dystopia, Asunder, Noothgrush, the Gault,
Descending Sorrow, Gory Melanoma, Pale Existence,
Thunder Chimp, all bands you will most likely
never hear, but they are all great, or at least
creative. It seems like Impaled, Abscess, and
Exhumed were the only bands to ever get out and
about in the metal scene, and in magazines and
such, which is sad, because I am afraid it's just
because people like our gimmicks. Or maybe
we are not lazy pot heads. Okay, well
Abscess are lazy pot heads. In any case, I
think you, Billy, have been pretty good about
finding good bands, such as Machetazo, Engorged,
or Intense Hammer Rage, and giving them a chance.
I only wish that some underground European
labels, such as Morbid Records and Repulsed,
could broker some good deals for American
distribution. Of course, I still am able to
get their CDs that I want, but I know that Billy
Jo in Podunk, Iowa, still needs to hear
Haemorrhage's "Anatomical Inferno."
Wow,
I actually didn't mention Carcass in an Impaled
interview.....oops.
Ross: Well, you've blown it now, buddy!!!
What's
it like being in a band with so many crazy
characters, like Sean "Bloodbath"
McGrath, Leon del Muerte, and El Flaco? Are
these guys just as insane in real life as they
are on the internet? Are you guys always being
smart assed jerks cracking jokes all the time? I
think it's great if you are! Do you think the
majority of the people out there really dig
Impaled, or do you feel there's a lot of people
who hate you and won't even give you a chance?
Ross: Yes, we are all smart ass jerks.
That is for sure. How crazy we are is
really a matter of opinion. We don't eat
babies, and we occasionally have girlfriends,
like normal people, but then there are the nights
we drop our instruments and hang from the rafters
of a club, or something, or go around and switch
the letters on the church signboard so it reads
"Espanol Escuela Impaled." I
think the internet though allows a lot of people
to be crazier and tougher than they are in real
life. I don't know if that applies to us.
I think I am boring. If the majority of
people didn't like Impaled after hearing "The
Dead Shall Dead Remain," I wouldn't
blame them. It's got drunken shoddy playing
and horrible production. I have high hopes
for the next one though, since we will be able to
go to a real studio, and we have a new rule... no
drinking until you are done playing!!! So
maybe that'll help. But probably not.
This
interview is going to be used in the great
GOREGRIND AND GRINDCORE webzine. What is your
feeling on the term "goregrind"? I know
some people who love this music but HATE the word
"goregrind". I personally don't mind it
and use the word a lot myself, but I still think
in the end the music is just grindcore or death
metal and in the end all these names don't change
the fact that it's either really good music, or
really bad. Though I do prefer "grindgore"
more, hee hee. Or splatter-grindcore, or....ahh,
never mind. I think death metal is totally
bastardized these days, I mean....just what the
hell is death metal anymore?? Is it all the
Morbid Angel/Krisiun type of bands, the Dying
Fetus/Suffocation type of bands, or the Impaled/Engorged
type of bands??? Should this word just not even
be used anymore since it has so many different
meanings and styles? Should we coin a new term or
something? I remember Leon said Impaled played
Fart-Metal once. Could that be it?
Ross: All those bands are death metal, but
then it is easier to understand what a band plays
when it is divided into another sub-genre.
That's fine. Humans have a natural
inclination towards classifying things. I
mean, you'd never heard some scientist say,
"Elm or Douglas Fir, man, it doesn't matter,
they are all trees!!!" It's important
to designate things for easier understanding.
Impaled gets lumped into goregrind, goremetal,
what have you, but really we just play death
metal. I suppose you could just as easily
put anti-christian lyrics in our music, and we'd
pick up an entirely different group of listeners.
But if you want to call us gore-splatter-core, or
whatever, to describe us to your friend who likes
horror movies, and if that helps for him to give
us a chance, great. Listen to Carcass's
"Heartwork." This doesn't work
with every song on there, but sometimes I imagine
about half of the material as having gory lyrics,
and it works just fine. And I remember at
the time reading reviews that said they were good
now, because they dropped the "stupid gore
thing," but much of the music was the same.
Of course, now those same reviewers recognize
"Symphonies of Sickness" as their
pinnacle, but 12 years too late. Oh well.
In
September 2001 you guys are planning to go to
Sweden to record in the legendary Sunlight
Studios! Some of my all time fave albums were
recorded there. Are you guys excited to record
there? Do you guys want that good old Entombed/Carnage
type of sound or will you try something
different? Well, duh, obviously if you're gonna
record in that studio you'll want that heavy
assed sound right? Sorry to fail in this question.
Ross: No, I hate the fact that we are going
there, and I hope to have a tinny Immortal guitar
tone. In all fairness, to you, though, I
really don't know what we are looking for when we
go there. I just want it to sound good. I
may have been just as excited to record in any
studio here, so long as we got a good product out
and realized our work, but it is a pretty
exciting adventure to undertake to go to Sweden
to record at a famous place. I don't think
I'll be given an opportunity like this in my
elder years, so I had better grab the reigns now
and ride off.
So
who are some other bands you'd love to so split
releases with one day? I know it's hard to come
up with so many songs, but if you guys could do
it who else would you split some releases with?
Engorged part 2 perhaps one day?
Ross: As much as I love Engorged, I think
I'd rather expand and so a split with someone
different. No need repeating the past, or
forcing them to do a split with such a mediocre
band like us twice. Christ, I don't know...
Regurgitate, Nasum, Machetazo, Agathocles,
Disgorged (MEX), Brain Wash, god I hate listing a
bunch of bands in a row in an interview.
How fucking boring. I don't know, is there
any unreleased Repulsion material we could do a
split with?
I
know you play in some other bands and have some
other projects going on, please feel free to plug
them here without any interference from anybody.
Ross: To reiterate, LUDICRA, http://ludicra.topcities.com. This is not a gory
band, it's
more like black / death metal, if I have to
categorize it. God knows when our album will
be out, but if you happen to care, keep your eyes
peeled.
Ok,
looks like this interview will be 20 questions.
Did I do ok? I'm sorry if this wasn't the
greatest Sewage interview ever, but honestly I'm
all out of questions, though I'm sure I'll think
of 40 more a few days from now. Just thanks to
you for being one of the coolest freaks ever
involved with underground music and for all the
support you've given me and my crappy attempts at
recording music(noise), and also for my old zines
and my record labels. IMPALED rules and now it's
time to say FUCK OFF, or, wait, Leon
always does that.....think of something else!
Thanks Ross, stay MOSH! (kill sean!)
Ross: Well, after finishing this interview,
I'll finally eat, maybe draw a bit, do some more
make-up on the Impaled skulls, and then I'm going
to go see Inisidious and El Dopa at a club in SF
for an early evening show, and then I'm
immediately leaving to drive 60 miles to see
Opeth play a late evening show. That's my
life. If you don't like it, well, I
certainly don't, so I don't blame you. Support
Razorback Records or some shit, and fuck the hell
off. I'm tired.
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